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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2009, 12:03:22 PM »
Comic book tactics usually fall into the "Get em guys!" category.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2009, 12:04:15 PM »
Comic book tactics usually fall into the "Get em guys!" category.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2009, 12:44:39 PM »
I've never heard of Cyclops being an excellent strategist.  Ever.  Even if he is, that doesn't mean that he's not going to get tricked now and then.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2009, 01:51:29 PM »
Sure, he should get tricked every now and then.  Nobody is perfect.  He should get tricked about as much as Steve Rogers (the leader all the Avengers traditionally defer to) does, or as much as Batman (the leader the Justice League defers to) does.  Because a legion of superheroes with rosters about as big as those routinely decide to let him play boss man.

One example of Cyclops' being portrayed as a brilliant planner/decision maker?  Havok's entire run as leader of X-Factor.  He spent pretty much the entire time worried that Scott would be doing a better job.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2009, 01:59:07 PM »
Huh.  I just learned from Wikipedia that Havok defeated the Hulk in battle, twice.  I didn't know Alex was that badass.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2009, 02:39:52 PM »
Sure, he should get tricked every now and then.  Nobody is perfect.  He should get tricked about as much as Steve Rogers (the leader all the Avengers traditionally defer to) does, or as much as Batman (the leader the Justice League defers to) does.  Because a legion of superheroes with rosters about as big as those routinely decide to let him play boss man.

Yeah. A roster full of mutants.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2009, 03:20:02 PM »
Huh.  I just learned from Wikipedia that Havok defeated the Hulk in battle, twice.  I didn't know Alex was that badass.

Not surprising.  Havok has a shitload of power.  His blasts are far more powerful than Cyclop's.  Although, Cyclops is immune to Havok's blasts and Havok is immune to Cyclop's.  Which I don't really understand.  Cyclop's beams are concussive force, so Havok should still be able to be affected by them.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2009, 07:46:47 PM »
Sure, he should get tricked every now and then.  Nobody is perfect.  He should get tricked about as much as Steve Rogers (the leader all the Avengers traditionally defer to) does, or as much as Batman (the leader the Justice League defers to) does.  Because a legion of superheroes with rosters about as big as those routinely decide to let him play boss man.
I think you're giving Cyclops way too much credit.  You're also lumping Batman and Cap into the same group when they're really not. 

Batman is the metaphorical a chess player, playing multiple moves ahead of everyone else, a long-term planner with excellent tactical abilities based on dictating the terms of engagements, and then improvising in-battle as necessary.  Plus, is Batman really the leader of the JLA?  I'd say, more often than not, the JLA is led by Superman.

Cap is an amazing field tactician and general, a guy who is able to feel out his opposition and defeat them by finding their weaknesses and playing to his strengths.

If you pull the wool over Batman's eyes, you've done something incredible.  Cap gets fooled all the time.  He spends most of the time a move behind Red Skull, just managing to wiggle his way out of situations.

Even compared to that, it's rare that I've ever seen Cyclops do anything but go on missions planned by Professor X, or respond to immediate threats.

Cyclops is like Superman.  He's the team player, the guy who does the right thing, and who sets the example for and brings people together.  He's not a dummy, but he's rarely painted as a master tactician.  I don't think Havok was worried about living up to Cyclops' abilities as a planner and strategist, but as a leader of people.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2009, 11:10:44 PM »
Granted I'm not a X book reader, but Cyclops used to be made to be near Cap levels as far as leadership goes. Granted this would have been back when storm wolvie and colossus all started. A lot has happened since then.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2009, 02:32:26 PM »
He's still supposed to be a great leader.  Only they are finally now writting him to be a good one, and not some whiney bitch.

He is the one that out smarted Osborn and lead all the mutants to Utopia.

Even having Magneto come by and commend him for doing what he'd been trying to do for years.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2009, 02:51:37 PM »
Here's the problem, though: Cyclops sucks.



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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2009, 02:54:22 PM »
It always felt like they intended for Cyclops to be something that they never wrote the story for him to be.  I haven't read anything in recent years so maybe they have but I have never personally read the story that showed him being all the things he was supposed to be.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2009, 05:41:13 PM »
It's been a while, so i Don't remember details. But I liked the first appearance by Proteus. I think Cyclops was cool there.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2009, 07:27:40 AM »


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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2009, 08:54:44 AM »
wow, that is so alien from the punisher I'm used to reading.
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2009, 08:55:44 AM »
Idea is growing on me somehow.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2009, 09:01:31 AM »
So retarded.

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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2009, 09:09:06 AM »
so since that is listed as issue 11, does that mean the MAX line of Punisher finished at some point?
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2009, 10:49:49 AM »
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Re: Dark Reign: The List - Punisher
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2009, 11:07:01 AM »
Idea is growing on me somehow.

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